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		By: Dain Hedgpeth		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-45133</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dain Hedgpeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice post, thanks for sharing. I find many essays from Y-Combinator&#039;s Paul Graham similarly enlightening http://paulgraham.com/articles.html.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, thanks for sharing. I find many essays from Y-Combinator&#8217;s Paul Graham similarly enlightening <a href="http://paulgraham.com/articles.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://paulgraham.com/articles.html</a>.</p>
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		By: Josh W		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-16555</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bizarrely as a business lecture, that seemed most compelling as a complete defeat of the unibomber&#039;s philosophy. Took a while for someone to get around to it!

Also interesting was the smidge of an idea that the marginalised will have access to a certain class of secrets than the comfortable and affluent don&#039;t, because they&#039;re life situation is an embodyment of common knowledge working against reality. Of course, that doesn&#039;t mean they will be best able to articulate these secrets. That would require space and time to reflect.

One of the lovely things about computer games of course is that if you&#039;re computer savy enough, you can just go down some algorithmic or emergent effects rabbit hole from some set of mechanics. You&#039;ve got a well of secrets in front of you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bizarrely as a business lecture, that seemed most compelling as a complete defeat of the unibomber&#8217;s philosophy. Took a while for someone to get around to it!</p>
<p>Also interesting was the smidge of an idea that the marginalised will have access to a certain class of secrets than the comfortable and affluent don&#8217;t, because they&#8217;re life situation is an embodyment of common knowledge working against reality. Of course, that doesn&#8217;t mean they will be best able to articulate these secrets. That would require space and time to reflect.</p>
<p>One of the lovely things about computer games of course is that if you&#8217;re computer savy enough, you can just go down some algorithmic or emergent effects rabbit hole from some set of mechanics. You&#8217;ve got a well of secrets in front of you.</p>
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		By: Andrew Coggeshall		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14203</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Coggeshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 17:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14199&quot;&gt;Luke&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s interesting, I wonder if the author could give you something actionable. I thought the example of the math proof was very interesting. I agree with the author that there is a common attitude that things that are possible have measurable progress which isn&#039;t always the case. Sometimes you just have to grind away at something even when everyone thinks it&#039;s not possible and then eventually someday you may succeed. The key part is that you know it is possible but that people don&#039;t agree with you. You also don&#039;t need to see instant progress to continue knowing it is true because it is a truth.

I think an intellectual/analytical exercise can be effective because it changes how you see things and can trigger a more intuitive view. It&#039;s just another source of input for how you think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14199">Luke</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting, I wonder if the author could give you something actionable. I thought the example of the math proof was very interesting. I agree with the author that there is a common attitude that things that are possible have measurable progress which isn&#8217;t always the case. Sometimes you just have to grind away at something even when everyone thinks it&#8217;s not possible and then eventually someday you may succeed. The key part is that you know it is possible but that people don&#8217;t agree with you. You also don&#8217;t need to see instant progress to continue knowing it is true because it is a truth.</p>
<p>I think an intellectual/analytical exercise can be effective because it changes how you see things and can trigger a more intuitive view. It&#8217;s just another source of input for how you think.</p>
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		By: Luke		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 16:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14155&quot;&gt;Andrew Coggeshall&lt;/a&gt;.

@Andrew: I guess I was looking for something a little more concrete or actionable going into the article - to me it had the vague feel of a motivational speech or a sales seminar (reminded me a little of reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad, which at the outset really drew me in and felt like important advice, but the more I examined and tried to apply it the more it seemed like repetition, emotionally-engaging anecdotes and plays to my desires, without much practical substance).

It did get me thinking, and the point about people generally not believing there&#039;s anything outside the box was interesting. 

I guess at a more fundamental level I wonder how effective &quot;questioning conventional wisdom&quot; is as an intellectual/analytical exercise to discover and create something new - if I look at Steve Jobs, Einstein, or even Jonathan Blow, it seems their work was informed by some kind of spiritual practice, mindfulness, or awareness of their own mental processes that maybe allowed them to &quot;see the box&quot; of their own and their profession&#039;s thinking in a more direct or intuitive way, rather than in a purely analytical way. 

In reality it&#039;s probably not so cut and dried - I imagine one approach can inform the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14155">Andrew Coggeshall</a>.</p>
<p>@Andrew: I guess I was looking for something a little more concrete or actionable going into the article &#8211; to me it had the vague feel of a motivational speech or a sales seminar (reminded me a little of reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad, which at the outset really drew me in and felt like important advice, but the more I examined and tried to apply it the more it seemed like repetition, emotionally-engaging anecdotes and plays to my desires, without much practical substance).</p>
<p>It did get me thinking, and the point about people generally not believing there&#8217;s anything outside the box was interesting. </p>
<p>I guess at a more fundamental level I wonder how effective &#8220;questioning conventional wisdom&#8221; is as an intellectual/analytical exercise to discover and create something new &#8211; if I look at Steve Jobs, Einstein, or even Jonathan Blow, it seems their work was informed by some kind of spiritual practice, mindfulness, or awareness of their own mental processes that maybe allowed them to &#8220;see the box&#8221; of their own and their profession&#8217;s thinking in a more direct or intuitive way, rather than in a purely analytical way. </p>
<p>In reality it&#8217;s probably not so cut and dried &#8211; I imagine one approach can inform the other.</p>
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		By: Michael Grafl		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Grafl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 10:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have nothing to add to the discussion, but I enjoyed reading the linked article so much that I want to explicitly say thanks for posting it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing to add to the discussion, but I enjoyed reading the linked article so much that I want to explicitly say thanks for posting it.</p>
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		By: Andrew Coggeshall		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Coggeshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Luke, I think you would be right if that&#039;s all the article was saying. It&#039;s useful to think outside the box, is an uncontroversial statement and trite. However I think the article had several more nuanced and interesting points. 

One was that people have  a false believe that there is nothing outside the box anymore which has odd implications and may be limiting your thinking. 

Think outside the box has become trite because so many people say it without internalizing it or actually trying it. Examining why people don&#039;t and how you can, is the opposite of trite, it&#039;s substantive because it isn&#039;t just a four word phrase, its a specific 14 page article. Maybe the net result of reading the article for you was just, that it&#039;s good to think outside the box. I felt like it actually encourage me to try it by using specific examples of why it is still a useful way of thinking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I think you would be right if that&#8217;s all the article was saying. It&#8217;s useful to think outside the box, is an uncontroversial statement and trite. However I think the article had several more nuanced and interesting points. </p>
<p>One was that people have  a false believe that there is nothing outside the box anymore which has odd implications and may be limiting your thinking. </p>
<p>Think outside the box has become trite because so many people say it without internalizing it or actually trying it. Examining why people don&#8217;t and how you can, is the opposite of trite, it&#8217;s substantive because it isn&#8217;t just a four word phrase, its a specific 14 page article. Maybe the net result of reading the article for you was just, that it&#8217;s good to think outside the box. I felt like it actually encourage me to try it by using specific examples of why it is still a useful way of thinking.</p>
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		By: Luke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll admit I found Thiel&#039;s talk a little trite - the essence seemed to be saying &quot;think outside the box&quot; and &quot;challenge conventional wisdom&quot; which isn&#039;t exactly a big secret - you hear that kind of advice all the time. Our culture worships people who seem to embody that - Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, etc. and we quote them constantly - &quot;think different&quot;, &quot;you can&#039;t solve problems using the same kind of thinking that created them&quot;, etc. I&#039;m not sure the great innovators got their insight by repeating those quotes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit I found Thiel&#8217;s talk a little trite &#8211; the essence seemed to be saying &#8220;think outside the box&#8221; and &#8220;challenge conventional wisdom&#8221; which isn&#8217;t exactly a big secret &#8211; you hear that kind of advice all the time. Our culture worships people who seem to embody that &#8211; Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, etc. and we quote them constantly &#8211; &#8220;think different&#8221;, &#8220;you can&#8217;t solve problems using the same kind of thinking that created them&#8221;, etc. I&#8217;m not sure the great innovators got their insight by repeating those quotes.</p>
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		By: Jonathan Blow		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14076</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Blow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14046&quot;&gt;Mark B&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark B:

It&#039;s that, plus I get to stop contributing to the oil industry&#039;s profitability (and stop giving it ammo with which to shoot down alternative fuels).  And also, everywhere I drive it, it is an advertisement for electric cars, showing people they are not crappy golf carts, but in fact that they are crazily good vehicles.

Look for this latter effect to be amped up in a few months when the Tesla Model S starts hitting the streets.  It is a really neat car and it is half the price of the Roadster (so, still not cheap, but a good step in the right direction).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14046">Mark B</a>.</p>
<p>Mark B:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that, plus I get to stop contributing to the oil industry&#8217;s profitability (and stop giving it ammo with which to shoot down alternative fuels).  And also, everywhere I drive it, it is an advertisement for electric cars, showing people they are not crappy golf carts, but in fact that they are crazily good vehicles.</p>
<p>Look for this latter effect to be amped up in a few months when the Tesla Model S starts hitting the streets.  It is a really neat car and it is half the price of the Roadster (so, still not cheap, but a good step in the right direction).</p>
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		By: justin		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14073</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 04:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14046&quot;&gt;Mark B&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks to people like Jonathan people like me can buy the Leaf by Nissan! I&#039;m totally cooping that car in 2016 : D

Also Jonathan Carmack has a Tesla so If people as smart and caring for the planet like this two support them it must be for a reason, like a really good reason beyond &quot;OH its cool and fast and cost a lot of money and makes me looks like a celebrity&quot; 

Also that same guy is using the money to reserch ways to go to space or civilian travel to space or something similar. The Tesla guys are awesome for alot of reasons. They are really caring and share their findings and tech and are open about serious things. Research the company and its founder. Those guys are freaking awesome! They don&#039;t make money; they make a difference!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-14046">Mark B</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks to people like Jonathan people like me can buy the Leaf by Nissan! I&#8217;m totally cooping that car in 2016 : D</p>
<p>Also Jonathan Carmack has a Tesla so If people as smart and caring for the planet like this two support them it must be for a reason, like a really good reason beyond &#8220;OH its cool and fast and cost a lot of money and makes me looks like a celebrity&#8221; </p>
<p>Also that same guy is using the money to reserch ways to go to space or civilian travel to space or something similar. The Tesla guys are awesome for alot of reasons. They are really caring and share their findings and tech and are open about serious things. Research the company and its founder. Those guys are freaking awesome! They don&#8217;t make money; they make a difference!</p>
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		By: Mark B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 22:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading The Atlantic&#039;s &quot;the Most Dangerous Gamer,&quot; article I thought it was kinda weird that you bought a Tesla Roadster. But reading:

&quot;At this point Tesla is probably the most successful cleantech company in the U.S. It builds very high-end electric-powered sports cars. There are different ways to frame the decision to cater to the luxury market. Elon’s take is that you needed rich people to underwrite the research and development required to make cheaper electric cars for the mid-market.&quot;

I&#039;m guessing your 150k purchase wasn&#039;t so much as you wanted a nice car (I&#039;m sure that it helps) but that you wanted to fund the research to make electric cars more viable to your average consumer?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading The Atlantic&#8217;s &#8220;the Most Dangerous Gamer,&#8221; article I thought it was kinda weird that you bought a Tesla Roadster. But reading:</p>
<p>&#8220;At this point Tesla is probably the most successful cleantech company in the U.S. It builds very high-end electric-powered sports cars. There are different ways to frame the decision to cater to the luxury market. Elon’s take is that you needed rich people to underwrite the research and development required to make cheaper electric cars for the mid-market.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing your 150k purchase wasn&#8217;t so much as you wanted a nice car (I&#8217;m sure that it helps) but that you wanted to fund the research to make electric cars more viable to your average consumer?</p>
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		By: ts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Totally Unrelated To The Contents Of Your Post...

I just read the article about you in The Atlantic. Stopped playing video games since college (with the exception of the New Super Mario Bros. for Wii), but I&#039;m really curious about The Witness. Looking forward to its release.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally Unrelated To The Contents Of Your Post&#8230;</p>
<p>I just read the article about you in The Atlantic. Stopped playing video games since college (with the exception of the New Super Mario Bros. for Wii), but I&#8217;m really curious about The Witness. Looking forward to its release.</p>
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		By: Scott Brodie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Brodie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 04:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great read. Thanks for sharing.]]></description>
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		By: Epona Schweer		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-13958</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Epona Schweer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 08:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Taking the analogy further: 

Remember what it felt like when you last discovered a truly wonderful secret. 
Excitement. Heart racing. Skin prickling with equal parts terror and intrigue. 
Feel that and you’ve found the work you need to do.
The game you need to create. 
The business you need to start. 
Fear is a chemical response to the perceived presence of danger. 
Doing something new, changing the cultural consensus, is dangerous. 
If what you’re starting doesn’t terrify you just a little then it’s nothing dangerous.
Nothing new. 
Not worth making.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking the analogy further: </p>
<p>Remember what it felt like when you last discovered a truly wonderful secret.<br />
Excitement. Heart racing. Skin prickling with equal parts terror and intrigue.<br />
Feel that and you’ve found the work you need to do.<br />
The game you need to create.<br />
The business you need to start.<br />
Fear is a chemical response to the perceived presence of danger.<br />
Doing something new, changing the cultural consensus, is dangerous.<br />
If what you’re starting doesn’t terrify you just a little then it’s nothing dangerous.<br />
Nothing new.<br />
Not worth making.</p>
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		By: Josiah Munsey		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-13915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josiah Munsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 15:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely amazing. Thank you for sharing this deep source of information. This article alone is a bit of a revealed secret to those searching for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely amazing. Thank you for sharing this deep source of information. This article alone is a bit of a revealed secret to those searching for it.</p>
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		By: Colter		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-13907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 11:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s a really good read. As a musician and a game designer, this is really relevant. Relevant to anyone who really wants to change the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s a really good read. As a musician and a game designer, this is really relevant. Relevant to anyone who really wants to change the world.</p>
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		By: Sami		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-13892</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sami]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 09:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A bit too much text for me, but seems interesting nonetheless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit too much text for me, but seems interesting nonetheless.</p>
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		By: Matthew VanDevander		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-13875</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew VanDevander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow dude. That is way deep and applies to a heck of a lot of pursuits. Possibly all of them. Good find.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow dude. That is way deep and applies to a heck of a lot of pursuits. Possibly all of them. Good find.</p>
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		By: justin		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/peter-thiel-on-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-13873</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 04:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for sharing. It means a lot to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing. It means a lot to me.</p>
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