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		By: Matthew Haycock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Haycock]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[A little over 10 years later, but this piece is still as relevant as ever.
sadly, as some sites devolve themselves in an attempt to draw in as many people as possible, the reputations of many sites have dropped in the fallout.

Kotaku seems to be a great example of this.  One just another one of the gaming sites, though it did get its share of in depth pieces thanks to Jason Schriers articles involving crunch in the workplace.
Sadly, at some point, there was a shift from their focus on videogame news, as we saw a rise in the number of articles that were either just filled with &#039;reactions&#039; from twitter, or &#039;clickbait&#039; articles with a title blatantly designed to draw people in with a wild claim/accusation.

Problem being, while many people complain about these articles, they were also clicking on them, which meant they were getting more traffic, which meant more ad revenue.  So they started to become more and more common, to the point they became the focus of the site, and the actual news stories became a rarity...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little over 10 years later, but this piece is still as relevant as ever.<br />
sadly, as some sites devolve themselves in an attempt to draw in as many people as possible, the reputations of many sites have dropped in the fallout.</p>
<p>Kotaku seems to be a great example of this.  One just another one of the gaming sites, though it did get its share of in depth pieces thanks to Jason Schriers articles involving crunch in the workplace.<br />
Sadly, at some point, there was a shift from their focus on videogame news, as we saw a rise in the number of articles that were either just filled with &#8216;reactions&#8217; from twitter, or &#8216;clickbait&#8217; articles with a title blatantly designed to draw people in with a wild claim/accusation.</p>
<p>Problem being, while many people complain about these articles, they were also clicking on them, which meant they were getting more traffic, which meant more ad revenue.  So they started to become more and more common, to the point they became the focus of the site, and the actual news stories became a rarity&#8230;</p>
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		By: Peter Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please don&#039;t waste time crafting well-thought-out responses to adolescent-baiting websites Jonathan (I use CVG myself sometimes, but it&#039;s blatantly clear that a lot of their articles are troll-bait). I&#039;m sitting waiting patiently for the Witness (it looks beautiful and I haven&#039;t really enjoyed a video game properly since Riven) and the thought of you having to expend your energy and time on such futile pursuits as responding to this rubbish makes me despair.
Thanks for Braid and all the best with The Witness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t waste time crafting well-thought-out responses to adolescent-baiting websites Jonathan (I use CVG myself sometimes, but it&#8217;s blatantly clear that a lot of their articles are troll-bait). I&#8217;m sitting waiting patiently for the Witness (it looks beautiful and I haven&#8217;t really enjoyed a video game properly since Riven) and the thought of you having to expend your energy and time on such futile pursuits as responding to this rubbish makes me despair.<br />
Thanks for Braid and all the best with The Witness.</p>
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		By: justin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it has been a while since the last update... so to keep everybody entertain and interested..... i&#039;ve come with a new link to another indie game.

http://richardeflanagan.com/lab/10-fract-beta-come-and-play

the game is Fract. it&#039;s about... a first-person, open world, puzzle game set on an uninhabited island... is a &quot;Myst+Tron+Rez&quot; kind of game

i don&#039;t want to advertise  or spam... but it&#039;s something relevant, right? i was impressed and like &quot;wow! i bet this is how playing The Witness will feel&quot; so yeah, hope you guys give it a try and enjoy it... if you need a more common analogy to another game Fract is probably alot like Real Myst. which i guess is how The Witness will play like... alittle  

And maybe this could give jonathan some ideas   : )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it has been a while since the last update&#8230; so to keep everybody entertain and interested&#8230;.. i&#8217;ve come with a new link to another indie game.</p>
<p><a href="http://richardeflanagan.com/lab/10-fract-beta-come-and-play" rel="nofollow ugc">http://richardeflanagan.com/lab/10-fract-beta-come-and-play</a></p>
<p>the game is Fract. it&#8217;s about&#8230; a first-person, open world, puzzle game set on an uninhabited island&#8230; is a &#8220;Myst+Tron+Rez&#8221; kind of game</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t want to advertise  or spam&#8230; but it&#8217;s something relevant, right? i was impressed and like &#8220;wow! i bet this is how playing The Witness will feel&#8221; so yeah, hope you guys give it a try and enjoy it&#8230; if you need a more common analogy to another game Fract is probably alot like Real Myst. which i guess is how The Witness will play like&#8230; alittle  </p>
<p>And maybe this could give jonathan some ideas   : )</p>
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		By: Pritchard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pritchard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All right then.  I won&#039;t read it :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right then.  I won&#8217;t read it :)</p>
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		By: Ao Meng		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ao Meng]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a guy who writes for a paper, I can confirm Mr. Blow&#039;s accuracy in regards to the attitude journalists and media outlets have towards developing stories. The fact of the matter is, all media outlets-- blogs, newspapers, television, social ect.-- are in their basic existence advertising mediums. The journalists are not being paid because they write the &quot;best&quot;  articles, but because the content they generate attracts consumer traffic. The more titillating the stories, the more eyes the outlet will attract, which raises the outlet&#039;s value to advertisers. &quot;Truth&quot; and &quot;accuracy&quot; in the reporting is secondary, and should remain that way in order to maximize the financial well being of the outlet and in turn the people the outlet employs. 

I certainly try to refrain from exploiting the subjects of my created content, but the same can also be said of the subjects themselves, especially when the subjects approach the outlet in support of or in context with a product that they themselves are trying to publicize. Being in a position to direct more traffic and consumer interest back towards the subject is a very valuable and ponderous power, so it is in the subject&#039;s interest to deliver &quot;interesting&quot; or &quot;compelling&quot; information/&quot;news.&quot; 

Mr. Blow, I listened to yr Rice talk; that part about the &quot;doublethink&quot;/&quot;knowing wink&quot; attitude of retail pricing (&quot;$9.99! It&#039;s totally less then $10.00!!&quot;) makes a neat parallel to the real &quot;mechanics&quot; behind the economy of &quot;buzz,&quot; and the consequent impulse to generate more &quot;noise.&quot; It&#039;s all made to manipulate the consumers. 

 All that said, f*** these GVC guys. Yeah, everybody&#039;s got to hustle, but as you pointed out, it can be personally and professionally damaging when media outlets take it too far, disrespecting the subject by treating them as unthinking, discard-able resources. They violate the relationship/unspoken rule/assumed contract between the subject and the outlet, the unspoken trust. Sometimes you end up with your situation, which has negative consequences for all parties involved: 1) the consumer, who gets a skewed version of your comments at least in the headline (didn&#039;t bother reading the article) 2) the outlet, which suffers a blow to its credibility at least with those (admittedly small percentage of) readers interested enough to find yr full comments in context, who will then question or at least scoff at for a few seconds the outlet&#039;s attempted manipulation/twisting of yr statement, and who might then might decrease their traffic to the outlet, which might end up decreasing the value of the outlet&#039;s advertising space 3) the content producer at the outlet, who might develop a habit of this ugly attitude, and have their content suffer for it, lowering their journalistic &quot;value.&quot; 4) the subject, as you may know.

This is not to say that this isn&#039;t sometimes a good thing, as the damaging of, say, a criminal Somalian warlord&#039;s personal and professional reputation might be considered a constructive act for society at large. 

tl; dr: Bluh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a guy who writes for a paper, I can confirm Mr. Blow&#8217;s accuracy in regards to the attitude journalists and media outlets have towards developing stories. The fact of the matter is, all media outlets&#8211; blogs, newspapers, television, social ect.&#8211; are in their basic existence advertising mediums. The journalists are not being paid because they write the &#8220;best&#8221;  articles, but because the content they generate attracts consumer traffic. The more titillating the stories, the more eyes the outlet will attract, which raises the outlet&#8217;s value to advertisers. &#8220;Truth&#8221; and &#8220;accuracy&#8221; in the reporting is secondary, and should remain that way in order to maximize the financial well being of the outlet and in turn the people the outlet employs. </p>
<p>I certainly try to refrain from exploiting the subjects of my created content, but the same can also be said of the subjects themselves, especially when the subjects approach the outlet in support of or in context with a product that they themselves are trying to publicize. Being in a position to direct more traffic and consumer interest back towards the subject is a very valuable and ponderous power, so it is in the subject&#8217;s interest to deliver &#8220;interesting&#8221; or &#8220;compelling&#8221; information/&#8221;news.&#8221; </p>
<p>Mr. Blow, I listened to yr Rice talk; that part about the &#8220;doublethink&#8221;/&#8221;knowing wink&#8221; attitude of retail pricing (&#8220;$9.99! It&#8217;s totally less then $10.00!!&#8221;) makes a neat parallel to the real &#8220;mechanics&#8221; behind the economy of &#8220;buzz,&#8221; and the consequent impulse to generate more &#8220;noise.&#8221; It&#8217;s all made to manipulate the consumers. </p>
<p> All that said, f*** these GVC guys. Yeah, everybody&#8217;s got to hustle, but as you pointed out, it can be personally and professionally damaging when media outlets take it too far, disrespecting the subject by treating them as unthinking, discard-able resources. They violate the relationship/unspoken rule/assumed contract between the subject and the outlet, the unspoken trust. Sometimes you end up with your situation, which has negative consequences for all parties involved: 1) the consumer, who gets a skewed version of your comments at least in the headline (didn&#8217;t bother reading the article) 2) the outlet, which suffers a blow to its credibility at least with those (admittedly small percentage of) readers interested enough to find yr full comments in context, who will then question or at least scoff at for a few seconds the outlet&#8217;s attempted manipulation/twisting of yr statement, and who might then might decrease their traffic to the outlet, which might end up decreasing the value of the outlet&#8217;s advertising space 3) the content producer at the outlet, who might develop a habit of this ugly attitude, and have their content suffer for it, lowering their journalistic &#8220;value.&#8221; 4) the subject, as you may know.</p>
<p>This is not to say that this isn&#8217;t sometimes a good thing, as the damaging of, say, a criminal Somalian warlord&#8217;s personal and professional reputation might be considered a constructive act for society at large. </p>
<p>tl; dr: Bluh.</p>
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		By: Ninomojo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ninomojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the original Edge interview:
http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the original Edge interview:<br />
<a href="http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker</a></p>
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		By: justin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[is TheWitness the new version of Eight Dots, like Braid is the new version of Oracle Billards? or is the Witness the new version of Galstaff, where you do certain gestures or paths with the blue mazes instead of the hand, to do &quot;spells&quot; or event thingies?

or is The Witness a new thing you have never done? if so... where did it came from, what is it about...  can you talk about that?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is TheWitness the new version of Eight Dots, like Braid is the new version of Oracle Billards? or is the Witness the new version of Galstaff, where you do certain gestures or paths with the blue mazes instead of the hand, to do &#8220;spells&#8221; or event thingies?</p>
<p>or is The Witness a new thing you have never done? if so&#8230; where did it came from, what is it about&#8230;  can you talk about that?!</p>
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		By: Kevin M.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand your point about this hurting your relationships with business partners, but if they didn&#039;t change your words and chose to only publish a select quote, I don&#039;t see how that is deceptive or manipulative. You either said those words or you didn&#039;t, there is nothing in between. It&#039;s not like you said &quot;Y is better than Z at sucking&quot; and they wrote &quot;Blow: Y is better than Z&quot;. Maybe the quote has a comes off stronger out of context, but I don&#039;t believe you can say that is not what you meant when you said those words. That is just the nature of press. They do it to politicians all the time. That&#039;s why they&#039;re so cautious about everything they say, because they know that every single word  they say can and will be taken out of context for a juicier headline. 
But still, I understand your point. It is the same with artists and animators putting stuff from unannounced games in their portfolios and all these sites covering it. It is brutal. It is hurting that person&#039;s chances of getting another job, but I can&#039;t really blame the press can I, because who leaked that stuff in the first place?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point about this hurting your relationships with business partners, but if they didn&#8217;t change your words and chose to only publish a select quote, I don&#8217;t see how that is deceptive or manipulative. You either said those words or you didn&#8217;t, there is nothing in between. It&#8217;s not like you said &#8220;Y is better than Z at sucking&#8221; and they wrote &#8220;Blow: Y is better than Z&#8221;. Maybe the quote has a comes off stronger out of context, but I don&#8217;t believe you can say that is not what you meant when you said those words. That is just the nature of press. They do it to politicians all the time. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re so cautious about everything they say, because they know that every single word  they say can and will be taken out of context for a juicier headline.<br />
But still, I understand your point. It is the same with artists and animators putting stuff from unannounced games in their portfolios and all these sites covering it. It is brutal. It is hurting that person&#8217;s chances of getting another job, but I can&#8217;t really blame the press can I, because who leaked that stuff in the first place?</p>
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		By: justin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 09:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you know what i just remember, reading the article again... that one time you said &quot;fuck that&quot; then the link to the thing where you said it, to the... whatever it was, disappeared. what you said besides being true, it was pretty innocent, but it was just sad the way people tried to ruined  you and sabotage you. and in the articles quoting the &quot;jonathan blow says fuck that!&quot; every person in the comments was trying to put you on your back foot, trying to put you down b/c they read the titles and jumped up at the first oportunity to talk bad about you, when you have always been yourself: honest and respectful. i never saw you as pretentious or &quot;hipster-shit&quot;.but that&#039;s how people are. you don&#039;t have control over that. but you do have control over your game... so do a positive/negative thing, and stick to the positive space and make the best game that you can at the time, b/c there is always people that won&#039;t respect what you care about... like souljaboy, right? i do understand why you are upset at the cvg article. b/c this has happened before, and it&#039;s not a good place to be in. specialy when you are trying to focus on making the best game possible... you can only get so careful opening your mouth in public before you stick to yes/no answer. and then you can&#039;t give interviews, you can&#039;t give talks... and just it shouldn&#039;t be like that... it is not right for them to be like that, is just not the right thing to do. it&#039;s not honest. why are they trying to shut you up, jonathan? b/c that&#039;s what they&#039;re doin... just b/c you acknowledge some aspects of game that could be potentially negative? wouldn&#039;t that be perverse... but at least they can&#039;t do this to your games. focus on making the best game possible and let *them* talk for you. and they will stand up for you and support you. just like Braid defended you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know what i just remember, reading the article again&#8230; that one time you said &#8220;fuck that&#8221; then the link to the thing where you said it, to the&#8230; whatever it was, disappeared. what you said besides being true, it was pretty innocent, but it was just sad the way people tried to ruined  you and sabotage you. and in the articles quoting the &#8220;jonathan blow says fuck that!&#8221; every person in the comments was trying to put you on your back foot, trying to put you down b/c they read the titles and jumped up at the first oportunity to talk bad about you, when you have always been yourself: honest and respectful. i never saw you as pretentious or &#8220;hipster-shit&#8221;.but that&#8217;s how people are. you don&#8217;t have control over that. but you do have control over your game&#8230; so do a positive/negative thing, and stick to the positive space and make the best game that you can at the time, b/c there is always people that won&#8217;t respect what you care about&#8230; like souljaboy, right? i do understand why you are upset at the cvg article. b/c this has happened before, and it&#8217;s not a good place to be in. specialy when you are trying to focus on making the best game possible&#8230; you can only get so careful opening your mouth in public before you stick to yes/no answer. and then you can&#8217;t give interviews, you can&#8217;t give talks&#8230; and just it shouldn&#8217;t be like that&#8230; it is not right for them to be like that, is just not the right thing to do. it&#8217;s not honest. why are they trying to shut you up, jonathan? b/c that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doin&#8230; just b/c you acknowledge some aspects of game that could be potentially negative? wouldn&#8217;t that be perverse&#8230; but at least they can&#8217;t do this to your games. focus on making the best game possible and let *them* talk for you. and they will stand up for you and support you. just like Braid defended you.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sure your anger is justified and i am not even going to see the crappy article. Knowing the THEY are bad journalists is a very important thing to know. BUT...
There are those times that i get angry at my kids and trying to educate them by saying what not to do, but i know that empowering then when they do good is much more effective! Still i don&#039;t always manage to do that :(

I think the analogy is clear, and this is how i see the outcome of this post:
1. You got CVG great traffic, and great page views!!! The title it self is of great value to them and mentioned article did very good!
2. Instead of reading the real Edge article (which i didn&#039;t see a link to) i spend my time reading this post, 
3. I didn&#039;t know CVG before reading this, and i already been to their site and not yet in Edge.

Long story short, i think this post could have been &quot;Journalism at its best @Edge!&quot; with the first paragraph that you wrote and nothing more!
That would have definitely got me mach faster to the real thing. And now off i go to find it ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure your anger is justified and i am not even going to see the crappy article. Knowing the THEY are bad journalists is a very important thing to know. BUT&#8230;<br />
There are those times that i get angry at my kids and trying to educate them by saying what not to do, but i know that empowering then when they do good is much more effective! Still i don&#8217;t always manage to do that :(</p>
<p>I think the analogy is clear, and this is how i see the outcome of this post:<br />
1. You got CVG great traffic, and great page views!!! The title it self is of great value to them and mentioned article did very good!<br />
2. Instead of reading the real Edge article (which i didn&#8217;t see a link to) i spend my time reading this post,<br />
3. I didn&#8217;t know CVG before reading this, and i already been to their site and not yet in Edge.</p>
<p>Long story short, i think this post could have been &#8220;Journalism at its best @Edge!&#8221; with the first paragraph that you wrote and nothing more!<br />
That would have definitely got me mach faster to the real thing. And now off i go to find it ;-)</p>
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		By: Italo F. Capasso B.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Italo F. Capasso B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Nate Some people, or at least myself, would consider &quot;CVG appear to be a bunch of lousy hacks.&quot;  and this call for everyone to &quot;to stop reading this kind of stuff. It’s just misinformation; it’s worse than worthless.&quot; as very strong statements, and an overreaction. 

But I guess getting quoted out of context might be infuriating for anyone, and well, you may lose trust, and in the future you will be a little more careful when saying things to anyone who has &quot;one liner news ears&quot; :P. It is an important lesson for everyone when you&#039;ll get interviewed ;).

But you are  right, that is not an &quot;angry forum flamer scream&quot; at all, thats my bad (an overreaction myself, U_U). I still believe its still a very strong and should have been taken less of a big issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nate Some people, or at least myself, would consider &#8220;CVG appear to be a bunch of lousy hacks.&#8221;  and this call for everyone to &#8220;to stop reading this kind of stuff. It’s just misinformation; it’s worse than worthless.&#8221; as very strong statements, and an overreaction. </p>
<p>But I guess getting quoted out of context might be infuriating for anyone, and well, you may lose trust, and in the future you will be a little more careful when saying things to anyone who has &#8220;one liner news ears&#8221; :P. It is an important lesson for everyone when you&#8217;ll get interviewed ;).</p>
<p>But you are  right, that is not an &#8220;angry forum flamer scream&#8221; at all, thats my bad (an overreaction myself, U_U). I still believe its still a very strong and should have been taken less of a big issue.</p>
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		By: Nate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Italo,

Where did Jonathan &quot;scream&quot; like an &quot;angry forum flamer&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Italo,</p>
<p>Where did Jonathan &#8220;scream&#8221; like an &#8220;angry forum flamer&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Italo F. Capasso B.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Italo F. Capasso B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, you are probably right... but to be honest, I think this is more of a &quot;Barbara Streisand&quot; effect, than anything else ;). At least community wise, people would eventually have shrugged it of and move on, the internet is too big to care... and probably be forgotten a week later for the people that looked at the issue if they did... your reaction made it wildly public and  noticeable, and to be honest, I think you are getting the short stick here because many feel that the piece was fairly harmless and you are overreacting (you could have reacted in a calm way, but screaming it loudly like an angry forum flamer was out of proportion for a lot).

I have absolutely no idea for the possible problems you could have with Microsoft for a statement like that, so I am talking to the dark here... but I do not think they are going to say &quot;OH Jon said THAT!!! we are bringing him down the HAMMER!!! Who cares if he made Braid and brought a huge amount of people on our X360s and has a huge voice around the indie community, he&#039;s DOWN!!&quot;. They aren&#039;t stupid (I think) and they know they are not going to drop independent dev support in such a non fashionable way, only to see Mr. Blow complaining on the internet and calling out MS and have another CVG headline like &quot;MS drops Jon Blow all support and whatsoever because of what he said two weeks ago!!!&quot; and getting all of the world-wide indie rage for that.

In MS they are probably going to read that statement and say.. &quot;hmm, well what we can do to fix that problem&quot;, be more kind with game devs, and prevent them from letting them go flying over other companies distribution systems and instead they will keep their indie user base firmly attached (or not, maybe the won&#039;t even consider that an issue). And probably send them a PR or support dude saying some standard comment like &quot;MS always tries to do the best for indie developers and such bla bla...&quot;... and thats it.

And that would have happened if nobody said anything, and if really it was a big issue. I honestly think its not that big. But you overreacted and now many people are not really taking it from you because... it was something so simple that could have been answered without a &quot;knee-jerk&quot; reaction... 

Then again I have no even created a game for something like X360 or PSs3 or something like it, so I may be wrong and this could be really problematic... I dunno...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you are probably right&#8230; but to be honest, I think this is more of a &#8220;Barbara Streisand&#8221; effect, than anything else ;). At least community wise, people would eventually have shrugged it of and move on, the internet is too big to care&#8230; and probably be forgotten a week later for the people that looked at the issue if they did&#8230; your reaction made it wildly public and  noticeable, and to be honest, I think you are getting the short stick here because many feel that the piece was fairly harmless and you are overreacting (you could have reacted in a calm way, but screaming it loudly like an angry forum flamer was out of proportion for a lot).</p>
<p>I have absolutely no idea for the possible problems you could have with Microsoft for a statement like that, so I am talking to the dark here&#8230; but I do not think they are going to say &#8220;OH Jon said THAT!!! we are bringing him down the HAMMER!!! Who cares if he made Braid and brought a huge amount of people on our X360s and has a huge voice around the indie community, he&#8217;s DOWN!!&#8221;. They aren&#8217;t stupid (I think) and they know they are not going to drop independent dev support in such a non fashionable way, only to see Mr. Blow complaining on the internet and calling out MS and have another CVG headline like &#8220;MS drops Jon Blow all support and whatsoever because of what he said two weeks ago!!!&#8221; and getting all of the world-wide indie rage for that.</p>
<p>In MS they are probably going to read that statement and say.. &#8220;hmm, well what we can do to fix that problem&#8221;, be more kind with game devs, and prevent them from letting them go flying over other companies distribution systems and instead they will keep their indie user base firmly attached (or not, maybe the won&#8217;t even consider that an issue). And probably send them a PR or support dude saying some standard comment like &#8220;MS always tries to do the best for indie developers and such bla bla&#8230;&#8221;&#8230; and thats it.</p>
<p>And that would have happened if nobody said anything, and if really it was a big issue. I honestly think its not that big. But you overreacted and now many people are not really taking it from you because&#8230; it was something so simple that could have been answered without a &#8220;knee-jerk&#8221; reaction&#8230; </p>
<p>Then again I have no even created a game for something like X360 or PSs3 or something like it, so I may be wrong and this could be really problematic&#8230; I dunno&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jonathan Blow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Blow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The point is that I said those things inside a package of contrasting and carefully-balanced statements.

CVG isolated a few statements, taking them out of the context of balancing statements and thus changed their meaning, in order to generate a &quot;more exciting&quot; headline.

If they had cherry-picked slightly different sentences from the same paragraphs, their headline could have easily been: 

&quot;Braid creator: Microsoft&#039;s online service more successful than Sony&#039;s&quot;

So it ought to be clear to you that this is a heavily-misleading process.

I think a fair headline for the article would have been something like: 

&quot;Braid creator discusses pros and cons of XBLA and PSN for indies&quot;

But that&#039;s not going to be as exciting, right?  That&#039;s not going to incite console-wars nerd-rage in the same way.  Thus they intentionally engage in distortion in order to get a more-exciting headline.


Let me simplify the situation a bit.  If someone in an interview says, &quot;Where should indies publish their game, XBLA or PSN?&quot; And I say, &quot;That depends on what the developer is looking for... on XBLA you have the potential to sell many more copies, but on PSN you have more freedom to do creative things,&quot; and someone decides to just cut out the second part of this sentence: &quot;BRAID DEVELOPER: PSN BETTER THAN XBLA BECAUSE INDIES HAVE MORE FREEDOM,&quot; that is a clearly misleading headline, even though those words were said in the interview.  The reason it&#039;s misleading is because the statement is removed from counterbalancing statements.

That&#039;s what they did here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that I said those things inside a package of contrasting and carefully-balanced statements.</p>
<p>CVG isolated a few statements, taking them out of the context of balancing statements and thus changed their meaning, in order to generate a &#8220;more exciting&#8221; headline.</p>
<p>If they had cherry-picked slightly different sentences from the same paragraphs, their headline could have easily been: </p>
<p>&#8220;Braid creator: Microsoft&#8217;s online service more successful than Sony&#8217;s&#8221;</p>
<p>So it ought to be clear to you that this is a heavily-misleading process.</p>
<p>I think a fair headline for the article would have been something like: </p>
<p>&#8220;Braid creator discusses pros and cons of XBLA and PSN for indies&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not going to be as exciting, right?  That&#8217;s not going to incite console-wars nerd-rage in the same way.  Thus they intentionally engage in distortion in order to get a more-exciting headline.</p>
<p>Let me simplify the situation a bit.  If someone in an interview says, &#8220;Where should indies publish their game, XBLA or PSN?&#8221; And I say, &#8220;That depends on what the developer is looking for&#8230; on XBLA you have the potential to sell many more copies, but on PSN you have more freedom to do creative things,&#8221; and someone decides to just cut out the second part of this sentence: &#8220;BRAID DEVELOPER: PSN BETTER THAN XBLA BECAUSE INDIES HAVE MORE FREEDOM,&#8221; that is a clearly misleading headline, even though those words were said in the interview.  The reason it&#8217;s misleading is because the statement is removed from counterbalancing statements.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what they did here.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your response is a tad OTT. CVG never purported to deliver a comprehensive overview of your Edge interview. Rather, they simply picked up on something they found interesting and made that the focus of their report. Perfectly legitimate journalism if you ask me. 

The point - that Sony seems to encourage more in the way of artistic expression - is a valid one. CVG have no obligation to cover any other aspect of the interview if they don&#039;t deem it to be of great interest to their readership. Indeed, rather than lift the Edge article word-for-word (which is practically what you seem to be advocating) it probably makes more sense to simply point people in the right direction and let them read the interview in its original form.

I can kinda see where your coming from. However in this case I honestly believe you&#039;ve suffered a knee-jerk reaction that has somewhat missed the mark]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response is a tad OTT. CVG never purported to deliver a comprehensive overview of your Edge interview. Rather, they simply picked up on something they found interesting and made that the focus of their report. Perfectly legitimate journalism if you ask me. </p>
<p>The point &#8211; that Sony seems to encourage more in the way of artistic expression &#8211; is a valid one. CVG have no obligation to cover any other aspect of the interview if they don&#8217;t deem it to be of great interest to their readership. Indeed, rather than lift the Edge article word-for-word (which is practically what you seem to be advocating) it probably makes more sense to simply point people in the right direction and let them read the interview in its original form.</p>
<p>I can kinda see where your coming from. However in this case I honestly believe you&#8217;ve suffered a knee-jerk reaction that has somewhat missed the mark</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wellington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big fan from BRAZIL !!!!
tks for &quot;Braid&quot;..... tks for &quot;The Witness&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big fan from BRAZIL !!!!<br />
tks for &#8220;Braid&#8221;&#8230;.. tks for &#8220;The Witness&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoops, hit the Submit Comment button by accident.

The ultimate scarce resource […] is _attention_.

Anyway, I&#039;m saying all this to show that the more sites like CVG play the pageview game, the more they doom themselves. Not only will they lose more and more readers who no longer trust them or no longer find what they write enjoyable, but they also make pageviews as a metric for advertising dollars less valuable for all their competitors, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, hit the Submit Comment button by accident.</p>
<p>The ultimate scarce resource […] is _attention_.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m saying all this to show that the more sites like CVG play the pageview game, the more they doom themselves. Not only will they lose more and more readers who no longer trust them or no longer find what they write enjoyable, but they also make pageviews as a metric for advertising dollars less valuable for all their competitors, too.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pageviews (or hits) are like money—to media sites, they are money—and like money, the more pageviews produced, the less each is worth.

Sites that depend solely on pageviews are in a race to the bottom and are, in the long-run, unsustainable, particularly sites smaller than the CNNs or NYTimes of the world (though those sites are in trouble for other reasons, i.e., profitability).

The ultimate scarce resource, the one that can&#039;t be gamed by breaking articles into multiple pages (or entirely separate posts, as CVG did), link-baiting and other tricks that artificially inflate pageviews]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pageviews (or hits) are like money—to media sites, they are money—and like money, the more pageviews produced, the less each is worth.</p>
<p>Sites that depend solely on pageviews are in a race to the bottom and are, in the long-run, unsustainable, particularly sites smaller than the CNNs or NYTimes of the world (though those sites are in trouble for other reasons, i.e., profitability).</p>
<p>The ultimate scarce resource, the one that can&#8217;t be gamed by breaking articles into multiple pages (or entirely separate posts, as CVG did), link-baiting and other tricks that artificially inflate pageviews</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Leack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You have my support, thanks for sharing this. I for one am completely against taking quotes out of context.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 04:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The lesson for indie developers is the same one everyone else who deals with the press ends up learning one way or another -- for everything you want to say, you first have to picture it on a headline and ask yourself if it&#039;s a headline you&#039;d want to see. That, and never assume that just because a reporter understands the subtleties in what you&#039;re saying that the article will do anything but take it at face value.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lesson for indie developers is the same one everyone else who deals with the press ends up learning one way or another &#8212; for everything you want to say, you first have to picture it on a headline and ask yourself if it&#8217;s a headline you&#8217;d want to see. That, and never assume that just because a reporter understands the subtleties in what you&#8217;re saying that the article will do anything but take it at face value.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After reading the actual interview, there is no question as to how entirely false those headlines are. We&#039;re talking night and day differences between what you said and (more importantly) when you said it.

It is also very kind of you to say that Hecker was &quot;one half&quot; of the interview, because what I&#039;ve gotten from it was &quot;An interview with Chris Hecker with an occasional comment by Blow.&quot; Being that I really like Hecker and that awesome website of his, that&#039;s not a bad thing. But I&#039;m here commenting on your article for a reason: what you said at Rice about the intent behind The Witness drove it to be above all other games on my expectation lists and rendered me obsessive.

Which ultimately drove me to purchase Braid recently for the second and third time in the same day: once in the Humble Bundle, and once on PSN because my XBLA version is in demo mode and I got tired of that. The point that I&#039;m trying to make here is that you got me effin&#039; obsessed with the proposition of epiphany in The Witness. I wish I could say more, but I&#039;d just come across as an arrogant ass whose words are most likely interesting only to himself.

Thanks for Braid. Thanks for the Rice talk. Thanks for the full interview. Thanks for saying &quot;lousy hacks.&quot; And thanks for giving a shit enough to keep us posted on the progress. I still don&#039;t know what &quot;THROUGH MANY BIRTHS&quot; part is supposed to mean, but the last line of the first stanza is satisfying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the actual interview, there is no question as to how entirely false those headlines are. We&#8217;re talking night and day differences between what you said and (more importantly) when you said it.</p>
<p>It is also very kind of you to say that Hecker was &#8220;one half&#8221; of the interview, because what I&#8217;ve gotten from it was &#8220;An interview with Chris Hecker with an occasional comment by Blow.&#8221; Being that I really like Hecker and that awesome website of his, that&#8217;s not a bad thing. But I&#8217;m here commenting on your article for a reason: what you said at Rice about the intent behind The Witness drove it to be above all other games on my expectation lists and rendered me obsessive.</p>
<p>Which ultimately drove me to purchase Braid recently for the second and third time in the same day: once in the Humble Bundle, and once on PSN because my XBLA version is in demo mode and I got tired of that. The point that I&#8217;m trying to make here is that you got me effin&#8217; obsessed with the proposition of epiphany in The Witness. I wish I could say more, but I&#8217;d just come across as an arrogant ass whose words are most likely interesting only to himself.</p>
<p>Thanks for Braid. Thanks for the Rice talk. Thanks for the full interview. Thanks for saying &#8220;lousy hacks.&#8221; And thanks for giving a shit enough to keep us posted on the progress. I still don&#8217;t know what &#8220;THROUGH MANY BIRTHS&#8221; part is supposed to mean, but the last line of the first stanza is satisfying.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker]]></description>
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		By: Onomatapedalo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onomatapedalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You shouldn&#039;t let the media get to you: the fact of the matter is that I passed by the CVG article, read it, went &#039;even as a 360 user, that&#039;s very true&#039; and moved on. MS probably thinks the same regarding the article - even if they did take offence to it, they would source the original article, check it for defamation, then move on.

However, then you commented on it here - and to be honest, you&#039;re coming off the worse. People expect the news (in all forms) to cherry pick the juiciest bits from the article, so unless you didn&#039;t say what you said they are not being hacks. A hack would make crap up. They didn&#039;t - you did say those things - and your complaint is that they didn&#039;t mention the gazillion other things you said. Guess what? That&#039;s what the magazine is for and is the reason why they put a big pointy arrow telling people where to go.

The problem is that your blog post actually is more arrogant than what CVG posted - full of &#039;bwaaaa, they just don&#039;t understand me&#039; nonsense and sniping of the media, who&#039;ll happily destroy your reputation proper if you give them reason to hate you. Get over it - these things happen and you&#039;re getting off lightly. The problem is that your partner-in-crime Chris Hecker has been caught out not mincing his words lightly in regards to the Wii, and his backlash to the media last time, over something he actually said, wiped out his popularity in the press - which can hurt an indie dev more than keeping quiet. The media backlash painted Chris as an arse, and now that reputation he created for himself has ruined both his popularity for some, and the popularity for SpyParty.

You should take the following advice Kelley Armstrong (the author) had regarding the public and the press: &#039;Resist the Urge to Respond Publicly to Criticism&#039; (http://bit.ly/b3DZWw). Whilst out-of-context banter makes you look bad for the short term, the fact of the matter is that the actual statement, despite being incendiary in your eyes, is 90% what you meant and actually nowhere near as shocking as you think it is. If you hadn&#039;t flipped out over this, people would have passed it by. But you didn&#039;t - you reacted to such a tiny thing that now you too are risking being branded an arse who goes back on what he says and makes mountains out of molehills, which may harm you in the long run no matter how good your games are.

Good luck for the future in all this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You shouldn&#8217;t let the media get to you: the fact of the matter is that I passed by the CVG article, read it, went &#8216;even as a 360 user, that&#8217;s very true&#8217; and moved on. MS probably thinks the same regarding the article &#8211; even if they did take offence to it, they would source the original article, check it for defamation, then move on.</p>
<p>However, then you commented on it here &#8211; and to be honest, you&#8217;re coming off the worse. People expect the news (in all forms) to cherry pick the juiciest bits from the article, so unless you didn&#8217;t say what you said they are not being hacks. A hack would make crap up. They didn&#8217;t &#8211; you did say those things &#8211; and your complaint is that they didn&#8217;t mention the gazillion other things you said. Guess what? That&#8217;s what the magazine is for and is the reason why they put a big pointy arrow telling people where to go.</p>
<p>The problem is that your blog post actually is more arrogant than what CVG posted &#8211; full of &#8216;bwaaaa, they just don&#8217;t understand me&#8217; nonsense and sniping of the media, who&#8217;ll happily destroy your reputation proper if you give them reason to hate you. Get over it &#8211; these things happen and you&#8217;re getting off lightly. The problem is that your partner-in-crime Chris Hecker has been caught out not mincing his words lightly in regards to the Wii, and his backlash to the media last time, over something he actually said, wiped out his popularity in the press &#8211; which can hurt an indie dev more than keeping quiet. The media backlash painted Chris as an arse, and now that reputation he created for himself has ruined both his popularity for some, and the popularity for SpyParty.</p>
<p>You should take the following advice Kelley Armstrong (the author) had regarding the public and the press: &#8216;Resist the Urge to Respond Publicly to Criticism&#8217; (<a href="http://bit.ly/b3DZWw" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bit.ly/b3DZWw</a>). Whilst out-of-context banter makes you look bad for the short term, the fact of the matter is that the actual statement, despite being incendiary in your eyes, is 90% what you meant and actually nowhere near as shocking as you think it is. If you hadn&#8217;t flipped out over this, people would have passed it by. But you didn&#8217;t &#8211; you reacted to such a tiny thing that now you too are risking being branded an arse who goes back on what he says and makes mountains out of molehills, which may harm you in the long run no matter how good your games are.</p>
<p>Good luck for the future in all this.</p>
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		By: Italo F. Capasso B.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just for the sake of debate ;) I&#039;m linking this article from Dtoid as a reaction about the same issue.

http://www.destructoid.com/jonathan-blow-cvg-and-the-sh-tstorm-i-caused-190165.phtml]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the sake of debate ;) I&#8217;m linking this article from Dtoid as a reaction about the same issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.destructoid.com/jonathan-blow-cvg-and-the-sh-tstorm-i-caused-190165.phtml" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.destructoid.com/jonathan-blow-cvg-and-the-sh-tstorm-i-caused-190165.phtml</a></p>
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		By: Some Destructoid Asshat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some Destructoid Asshat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t want to sound like I know everything, and I&#039;m probably coming in with bias from reading Jim Sterling&#039;s analysis, but I think this is just going to create more news for you to tear your hair out at about it being &quot;taken out of context&quot;. 

Its how news works. Not the end of the world. Unless Microsoft was riding your ass about defaming them in the interview (which you didn&#039;t, even from the small portion that we got, it is pretty easy to distinguish you as just and observer of two very different business models, concerning indie development), I&#039;d not give a shit. They&#039;ve got their right--I suppose you can just decline interviews from CVG from now on?

Anyways, keep making awesome games.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound like I know everything, and I&#8217;m probably coming in with bias from reading Jim Sterling&#8217;s analysis, but I think this is just going to create more news for you to tear your hair out at about it being &#8220;taken out of context&#8221;. </p>
<p>Its how news works. Not the end of the world. Unless Microsoft was riding your ass about defaming them in the interview (which you didn&#8217;t, even from the small portion that we got, it is pretty easy to distinguish you as just and observer of two very different business models, concerning indie development), I&#8217;d not give a shit. They&#8217;ve got their right&#8211;I suppose you can just decline interviews from CVG from now on?</p>
<p>Anyways, keep making awesome games.</p>
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		By: xino		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dislike CVG because of their constant excerpt stealings from interviews!

They make 2 paragraphs and call it an article news:/]]></description>
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<p>They make 2 paragraphs and call it an article news:/</p>
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		By: LevelHead		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s nice to see some clarification. Some of us are at the mercy of the media. I try not to read into it too much and take a lot of it with a grain of salt. At times it feels like the paparazzi happening in the movie industry and with actors. A shame so many people feed off of this negativity but I guess that&#039;s the price of fame eh Jonathan?

I would like for you to clear up one thing. In the past they mentioned you were unhappy with the way Microsoft handled the pricing of Braid and you acted like you had little input in that. Yet your game was also the same price on PSN and the PC. Lots of forum dwellers out there want to continue to depict Microsoft as this evil empire much like what is happening with Activision.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to see some clarification. Some of us are at the mercy of the media. I try not to read into it too much and take a lot of it with a grain of salt. At times it feels like the paparazzi happening in the movie industry and with actors. A shame so many people feed off of this negativity but I guess that&#8217;s the price of fame eh Jonathan?</p>
<p>I would like for you to clear up one thing. In the past they mentioned you were unhappy with the way Microsoft handled the pricing of Braid and you acted like you had little input in that. Yet your game was also the same price on PSN and the PC. Lots of forum dwellers out there want to continue to depict Microsoft as this evil empire much like what is happening with Activision.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Journalists of all kinds manipulate the truth, it&#039;s a story as old as the world itself: i totally empathize with you, some journalists are only after loads and loads of hits and nothing else.
I think, on the other hand, that Chris Hecker should (and could) have been more &quot;diplomatic&quot; in expressing his thoughts about the Wii and Nintendo as a game selling company, for at least two reasons:
1) He was working for EA at the time and EA, as a leading company HAS GOT business with Nintendo. Come on! You really think that a statement like &quot;the Wii is a piece of shit&quot; doesn&#039;t get a headline? Even if it was said during a rant? A little too naive, in my opinion.
2) Reading further in Chris Hecker&#039;s article, i got to the point where he makes a list of what he actually said in the Fear of A Wii Planet rant and i think that a lot of the things he said during the rant are unfounded and over-exaggerated (i know, it&#039;s a rant...), like: &quot;The faster the machine, the more options you have for developing the algorithms that make up the interactive systems of the game, including the AI and controls&quot;... True, on a theoretical level, but on a practical one you got AN AWFUL LOT of stupid, dumb, ultimately boring first person shooters that runs thanks to photorealistic 3d engines, and then you&#039;ve got Braid and World of Goo (the last one was Wii Game of the Year 2009 for IGN).
Chris says &quot;The faster the hardware, the more software developers can concentrate on the higher level algorithms, and the more advanced interactive algorithms are possible, it&#039;s that simple&quot;... I don&#039;t think so. I think that, taking a look at the mainstream game products out there, game developers need to read more (good) books, watch more (good) films and listen to more (good) music. It&#039;s not obviously the case of Chris, but i think that this is mainly the problem, otherwise you will have a planet-full-of-dumb-developers, not a Wii planet. We already got sufficient horsepower, in my opinion: craving for more (without working on beautiful gameplay and STORY) is only meant for graphic whores.
Chris then talks about games as an art form, and i totally agree with him. I don&#039;t know if Nintendo is more for &quot;fun games&quot; instead of &quot;artistic games&quot;, surely Miyamoto always points out how important is that gamers enjoy themselves while playing his games, and Super Mario Bros. was undoubtely created keeping that firmly in mind; Miyamoto it&#039;s not the only one who focuses on entertaining his audience, also Woody Allen states the same thing, saying that he makes movies because he wants that people enjoy themselves while watching them: no more, no less.
&quot;Making fun games&quot; and &quot;making artistic games&quot; can coincide. I think it&#039;s mandatory that they coincide.
On the &quot;horsepower&quot; issue, assuming that Chris Hecker wants to make &quot;artistic&quot; games, i think that maybe he can consider a japanese monochromatic brush painting art, called &quot;Sumi-e&quot;, where the artist uses only black ink and a few brushes. This kind of art is extremely difficult &#039;cause &quot;once a stroke is painted, it cannot be changed or erased&quot; but extremely beautiful and satisfying; Miles Davis himself got inspired by the philosophy behind the Sumi-e before recording &quot;A Kind of Blue&quot;.
Horsepower it&#039;s not so important, after all.

Goodbye and keep up the good work, Jonathan, you&#039;re one of my favorite game developers, i look forward to &quot;The Witness&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists of all kinds manipulate the truth, it&#8217;s a story as old as the world itself: i totally empathize with you, some journalists are only after loads and loads of hits and nothing else.<br />
I think, on the other hand, that Chris Hecker should (and could) have been more &#8220;diplomatic&#8221; in expressing his thoughts about the Wii and Nintendo as a game selling company, for at least two reasons:<br />
1) He was working for EA at the time and EA, as a leading company HAS GOT business with Nintendo. Come on! You really think that a statement like &#8220;the Wii is a piece of shit&#8221; doesn&#8217;t get a headline? Even if it was said during a rant? A little too naive, in my opinion.<br />
2) Reading further in Chris Hecker&#8217;s article, i got to the point where he makes a list of what he actually said in the Fear of A Wii Planet rant and i think that a lot of the things he said during the rant are unfounded and over-exaggerated (i know, it&#8217;s a rant&#8230;), like: &#8220;The faster the machine, the more options you have for developing the algorithms that make up the interactive systems of the game, including the AI and controls&#8221;&#8230; True, on a theoretical level, but on a practical one you got AN AWFUL LOT of stupid, dumb, ultimately boring first person shooters that runs thanks to photorealistic 3d engines, and then you&#8217;ve got Braid and World of Goo (the last one was Wii Game of the Year 2009 for IGN).<br />
Chris says &#8220;The faster the hardware, the more software developers can concentrate on the higher level algorithms, and the more advanced interactive algorithms are possible, it&#8217;s that simple&#8221;&#8230; I don&#8217;t think so. I think that, taking a look at the mainstream game products out there, game developers need to read more (good) books, watch more (good) films and listen to more (good) music. It&#8217;s not obviously the case of Chris, but i think that this is mainly the problem, otherwise you will have a planet-full-of-dumb-developers, not a Wii planet. We already got sufficient horsepower, in my opinion: craving for more (without working on beautiful gameplay and STORY) is only meant for graphic whores.<br />
Chris then talks about games as an art form, and i totally agree with him. I don&#8217;t know if Nintendo is more for &#8220;fun games&#8221; instead of &#8220;artistic games&#8221;, surely Miyamoto always points out how important is that gamers enjoy themselves while playing his games, and Super Mario Bros. was undoubtely created keeping that firmly in mind; Miyamoto it&#8217;s not the only one who focuses on entertaining his audience, also Woody Allen states the same thing, saying that he makes movies because he wants that people enjoy themselves while watching them: no more, no less.<br />
&#8220;Making fun games&#8221; and &#8220;making artistic games&#8221; can coincide. I think it&#8217;s mandatory that they coincide.<br />
On the &#8220;horsepower&#8221; issue, assuming that Chris Hecker wants to make &#8220;artistic&#8221; games, i think that maybe he can consider a japanese monochromatic brush painting art, called &#8220;Sumi-e&#8221;, where the artist uses only black ink and a few brushes. This kind of art is extremely difficult &#8217;cause &#8220;once a stroke is painted, it cannot be changed or erased&#8221; but extremely beautiful and satisfying; Miles Davis himself got inspired by the philosophy behind the Sumi-e before recording &#8220;A Kind of Blue&#8221;.<br />
Horsepower it&#8217;s not so important, after all.</p>
<p>Goodbye and keep up the good work, Jonathan, you&#8217;re one of my favorite game developers, i look forward to &#8220;The Witness&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Hamish Todd		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The interview is online! http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interview is online! <a href="http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker</a></p>
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		By: KiZeeTA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that you&#039;re forgetting that CVG&#039;s job is to promote publications that are owned by Future. Of course they&#039;re sensationalist, because that&#039;s the entire reason that they exist; to attract views and gain hits in any way possible, which in this case, involved misquoting you. Anyone who goes to CVG for actual news seriously needs to consider other sites.

Edge is also owned by Future, and CVG simply chose the things that they wanted from that article to suit their modus operandi. They didn&#039;t quote the whole article because then they wouldn&#039;t be doing their jobs properly.

Blogs exist because of readers and regular visitors. People nowadays will do what they have to do to obtain views, and in this particular case, CVG did just that. I agree with you wholeheartedly that such a quote could harm relations with publishers and whatnot and I understand that that is a huge problem for a developer such as yourself, but considering that you simply said the specific quote that CVG used on it&#039;s site in an interview that discussed a multitude of topics which more than likely contradicts such a quote, then what would stop Microsoft or Sony understanding why you would say such a thing? 

You obviously have a reason to be concerned with such an article, or in CVG&#039;s case, a snippet of an interview that is used to promote Edge magazine, but all I&#039;m saying is that CVG were simply doing their job, and I don&#039;t think that they&#039;re a bunch of &quot;lousy hacks&quot; for doing their job. 

That said, I&#039;ll just add that I enjoyed Braid a lot and hope that you continue to make many more incredibly unique games in the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you&#8217;re forgetting that CVG&#8217;s job is to promote publications that are owned by Future. Of course they&#8217;re sensationalist, because that&#8217;s the entire reason that they exist; to attract views and gain hits in any way possible, which in this case, involved misquoting you. Anyone who goes to CVG for actual news seriously needs to consider other sites.</p>
<p>Edge is also owned by Future, and CVG simply chose the things that they wanted from that article to suit their modus operandi. They didn&#8217;t quote the whole article because then they wouldn&#8217;t be doing their jobs properly.</p>
<p>Blogs exist because of readers and regular visitors. People nowadays will do what they have to do to obtain views, and in this particular case, CVG did just that. I agree with you wholeheartedly that such a quote could harm relations with publishers and whatnot and I understand that that is a huge problem for a developer such as yourself, but considering that you simply said the specific quote that CVG used on it&#8217;s site in an interview that discussed a multitude of topics which more than likely contradicts such a quote, then what would stop Microsoft or Sony understanding why you would say such a thing? </p>
<p>You obviously have a reason to be concerned with such an article, or in CVG&#8217;s case, a snippet of an interview that is used to promote Edge magazine, but all I&#8217;m saying is that CVG were simply doing their job, and I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;re a bunch of &#8220;lousy hacks&#8221; for doing their job. </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ll just add that I enjoyed Braid a lot and hope that you continue to make many more incredibly unique games in the future.</p>
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		By: Josh Eloi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also Braid is a great game and many thanks for creating a fantastic experience.]]></description>
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		By: Josh Eloi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Eloi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My friend it seems like your just throwing your dummy out of the pram over a bi of bad press. CVG get paid to bring things like this to the attention of gamers and I&#039;m not saying what they did to you was right but it&#039;s what they do nonetheless. When I first read the story I agreed with what you said and I believe it was in no way a Pro Sony thing to say, it was just true. But going out on a limb and calling them lousy hacks is a low blow, I don&#039;t read much of their stuff as they don&#039;t write as well as PC Gamer or Destructoid but still if you didn&#039;t want it taken out of context then think about what you say as to avoid any situation such as this to happen again. Feel free to email me if you want to have a chat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend it seems like your just throwing your dummy out of the pram over a bi of bad press. CVG get paid to bring things like this to the attention of gamers and I&#8217;m not saying what they did to you was right but it&#8217;s what they do nonetheless. When I first read the story I agreed with what you said and I believe it was in no way a Pro Sony thing to say, it was just true. But going out on a limb and calling them lousy hacks is a low blow, I don&#8217;t read much of their stuff as they don&#8217;t write as well as PC Gamer or Destructoid but still if you didn&#8217;t want it taken out of context then think about what you say as to avoid any situation such as this to happen again. Feel free to email me if you want to have a chat.</p>
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		By: SylHar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SylHar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the full interview from edge seems to be online here:
http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker?page=0%2C0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the full interview from edge seems to be online here:<br />
<a href="http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker?page=0%2C0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-jonathan-blow-chris-hecker?page=0%2C0</a></p>
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		By: Gav Nadger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gav Nadger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[..but you did say the things they quoted, and i think its a fair point you make and they report.  Theyre journalists - im not sure what you expect them to do?  You either need to grow a pair or stop putting yourself in the limelight.  If you invite and crave publicity to showcase your work, dont be pissed when you can&#039;t control it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..but you did say the things they quoted, and i think its a fair point you make and they report.  Theyre journalists &#8211; im not sure what you expect them to do?  You either need to grow a pair or stop putting yourself in the limelight.  If you invite and crave publicity to showcase your work, dont be pissed when you can&#8217;t control it.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like someone doesn&#039;t want his good relationship with Microsoft threatened.]]></description>
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		By: Niv Fisher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niv Fisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn shame!
I want honest, meaningful and insightful interviews / blog-posts and not PR-aware corporate blah blah.

If that makes some developers apply censorship and/or dumb down their responses it is yet another unfortunate result of this ....

You have my support]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn shame!<br />
I want honest, meaningful and insightful interviews / blog-posts and not PR-aware corporate blah blah.</p>
<p>If that makes some developers apply censorship and/or dumb down their responses it is yet another unfortunate result of this &#8230;.</p>
<p>You have my support</p>
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		By: Dan Howdle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Howdle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a few dimensions at play here. Firstly, speaking from a purely personal point of view, there is another victim here. Us. It&#039;s very dispiriting to read some of the comments here. People quoting the word &#039;journalism&#039; in the same way they might &#039;rape&#039;. One wonders how they would feel about the single quotes applied to their job and their passion, which in games &#039;journalism&#039; are often one and the same.

Secondly, for the record, I don&#039;t like this kind of journalism. As the deputy editor of a well-regarded print magazine, we have far more luxury print insightful, full-bodied investigative pieces and indeed to stand firm as an honest journalistic entity. 

Web journalists do not have this luxury, and I think really what you&#039;ve highlighted here is the primary difference. Sure there are many sites out there - Eurogamer, for example - which have the numbers to not have to extend their remit beyond transparent reporting, but the vast majority rely on increasing their hits to survive. The sad fact is that anyone saying that one platform-holder is better than the other will always generate hits because, and I put this in the nicest way possible, it&#039;s the only thing that complete morons like to read about.

Having worked on the web for a spell myself, I can absolutely assure you that many, many an in-depth, scholarly feature or interview gets printed, just to see it generate precisely no hits. The old adage about the tree falling in the forest?

Just like  the mainstream media, in which tabloids regularly take non-contextual quotes from interviews conducted with highfalutin moral agendas for the sake of selling papers, you can hate them - and believe me, I know full-well about stretching PR relationships - but they play a near-vital role. If the article is in Edge, sure enough people will read it, but there is an incalculable amount of fantastic features and interviews out there that no one ever reads unless someone does something to - artificially - beef up its clickability factor. 

Its something that those who deal with the mainstream newspapers are media-savvy enough to accept as a necessary evil, but I&#039;ve noticed that many developers are some way behind in accepting it. I think all your points are valid, but, even though this kind of thing gives us &#039;journalists&#039; a bad name, I also think it&#039;s something we all just have to accept because it&#039;s not the &#039;journalists&#039; who are at fault, it&#039;s the bickering, flaming, whining idiots who think that an intelligent discussion about videogames can be found on N4G or NeoGAF, and who will only click on something if it somehow supports their inexplicable mortal loyalty to one box full of chips and circuits or another.

Dan Howdle
Deputy Editor
360 Magazine]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few dimensions at play here. Firstly, speaking from a purely personal point of view, there is another victim here. Us. It&#8217;s very dispiriting to read some of the comments here. People quoting the word &#8216;journalism&#8217; in the same way they might &#8216;rape&#8217;. One wonders how they would feel about the single quotes applied to their job and their passion, which in games &#8216;journalism&#8217; are often one and the same.</p>
<p>Secondly, for the record, I don&#8217;t like this kind of journalism. As the deputy editor of a well-regarded print magazine, we have far more luxury print insightful, full-bodied investigative pieces and indeed to stand firm as an honest journalistic entity. </p>
<p>Web journalists do not have this luxury, and I think really what you&#8217;ve highlighted here is the primary difference. Sure there are many sites out there &#8211; Eurogamer, for example &#8211; which have the numbers to not have to extend their remit beyond transparent reporting, but the vast majority rely on increasing their hits to survive. The sad fact is that anyone saying that one platform-holder is better than the other will always generate hits because, and I put this in the nicest way possible, it&#8217;s the only thing that complete morons like to read about.</p>
<p>Having worked on the web for a spell myself, I can absolutely assure you that many, many an in-depth, scholarly feature or interview gets printed, just to see it generate precisely no hits. The old adage about the tree falling in the forest?</p>
<p>Just like  the mainstream media, in which tabloids regularly take non-contextual quotes from interviews conducted with highfalutin moral agendas for the sake of selling papers, you can hate them &#8211; and believe me, I know full-well about stretching PR relationships &#8211; but they play a near-vital role. If the article is in Edge, sure enough people will read it, but there is an incalculable amount of fantastic features and interviews out there that no one ever reads unless someone does something to &#8211; artificially &#8211; beef up its clickability factor. </p>
<p>Its something that those who deal with the mainstream newspapers are media-savvy enough to accept as a necessary evil, but I&#8217;ve noticed that many developers are some way behind in accepting it. I think all your points are valid, but, even though this kind of thing gives us &#8216;journalists&#8217; a bad name, I also think it&#8217;s something we all just have to accept because it&#8217;s not the &#8216;journalists&#8217; who are at fault, it&#8217;s the bickering, flaming, whining idiots who think that an intelligent discussion about videogames can be found on N4G or NeoGAF, and who will only click on something if it somehow supports their inexplicable mortal loyalty to one box full of chips and circuits or another.</p>
<p>Dan Howdle<br />
Deputy Editor<br />
360 Magazine</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I think that Edge can&#039;t review a game to save its life (many of its recent reviews have omitted key game features - things like whether or not it had online play!), it sounds like they did right by you with this interview.  Like many other commentors, when I saw the original &#039;flamebait&#039; article, I was a little curious - I&#039;d read some other stuff the good Mr Blow had said and they sounded thoughtful and balanced, and the article was most definitely now.  Am glad I came across here - keep up the great work Jonathon/Chris :).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think that Edge can&#8217;t review a game to save its life (many of its recent reviews have omitted key game features &#8211; things like whether or not it had online play!), it sounds like they did right by you with this interview.  Like many other commentors, when I saw the original &#8216;flamebait&#8217; article, I was a little curious &#8211; I&#8217;d read some other stuff the good Mr Blow had said and they sounded thoughtful and balanced, and the article was most definitely now.  Am glad I came across here &#8211; keep up the great work Jonathon/Chris :).</p>
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		By: plmko		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2052</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[plmko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; it was a highly anti-Microsoft and pro-Sony interview.&quot;

No it wasn&#039;t, the interview mentions Microsoft has many indie games in their indie channel and that produced some fine games.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; it was a highly anti-Microsoft and pro-Sony interview.&#8221;</p>
<p>No it wasn&#8217;t, the interview mentions Microsoft has many indie games in their indie channel and that produced some fine games.</p>
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		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett Jungblut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just bought the humble bundle today, seeing as Braid was included. Cheers, Jon!]]></description>
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		By: spilltheink		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2048</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spilltheink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to have to go on your word for this one as I&#039;m no insider in the industry. It just seems nonsensical for such a diplomaticly phrased comment to to have serious negative impact on a critcally acclaimed game developer&#039;s reputation. I apologize for my prior ignorance and thank you for setting the record straight. Like i said, i&#039;m a big fan and mean no disrespect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to go on your word for this one as I&#8217;m no insider in the industry. It just seems nonsensical for such a diplomaticly phrased comment to to have serious negative impact on a critcally acclaimed game developer&#8217;s reputation. I apologize for my prior ignorance and thank you for setting the record straight. Like i said, i&#8217;m a big fan and mean no disrespect.</p>
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		By: Jonathan Blow		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2047</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Blow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[spilltheink: It most definitely *does* affect our standing with publishers.  I have had big problems introduced into my relationship with Microsoft about stuff just like this that has happened in the past, and I know many other indie developers for whom similar things are true.  

I&#039;m not sure why you wouldn&#039;t believe this.  It&#039;s obvious if you are familiar with the reality of how game development works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spilltheink: It most definitely *does* affect our standing with publishers.  I have had big problems introduced into my relationship with Microsoft about stuff just like this that has happened in the past, and I know many other indie developers for whom similar things are true.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you wouldn&#8217;t believe this.  It&#8217;s obvious if you are familiar with the reality of how game development works.</p>
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		By: Wolfkin		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2046</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I didn&#039;t find the body to be particularly inflammatory (the headline is rather inexcusable), I do remember the article Hecker wrote and how actually hearing his side completely changed my opinion of him. I&#039;m now rather intrigued to read the original interview article should it ever come online. I&#039;m not the biggest fan of Jonathan Blow but I&#039;d rather dislike the guy for things he actually said rather than out of context quotes. You&#039;ve always been an interesting and intelligent person to say the least.

On second read even the body is bad so just forget that too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I didn&#8217;t find the body to be particularly inflammatory (the headline is rather inexcusable), I do remember the article Hecker wrote and how actually hearing his side completely changed my opinion of him. I&#8217;m now rather intrigued to read the original interview article should it ever come online. I&#8217;m not the biggest fan of Jonathan Blow but I&#8217;d rather dislike the guy for things he actually said rather than out of context quotes. You&#8217;ve always been an interesting and intelligent person to say the least.</p>
<p>On second read even the body is bad so just forget that too.</p>
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		By: Fran		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Until journalistic integrity pays cash money, that won&#039;t go away. And it certainly won&#039;t go away by calling it names.

I think the real story here is that you are finally famous enough to hit the tabloids! Congrats and make sure to stealthily exploit it to cross-promote your upcoming game, The Witness (from the creator of Braid)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until journalistic integrity pays cash money, that won&#8217;t go away. And it certainly won&#8217;t go away by calling it names.</p>
<p>I think the real story here is that you are finally famous enough to hit the tabloids! Congrats and make sure to stealthily exploit it to cross-promote your upcoming game, The Witness (from the creator of Braid)</p>
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		By: spilltheink		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spilltheink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 06:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not going to lie, John, you (and apparently your seemingly brown-nosing commenters as well) may be taking this whole debacle a little too seriously. There&#039;s no way this could affect your standing with either publisher as your comment was both mild-mannered and arguably completely true. I understand wanting the rest of your interview to be read, but to blatantly attack a gaming blog for quoting you in a way that would be not only interesting to their readers -- their fanbase, but also garners hits from links, is not only uncalled for, but also pretty idiotic. You may come off looking like much more of a dick for flipping out than you realize.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, your work is incredible; i&#039;m a fan. It&#039;s just disappointing to hear that you&#039;re the type to make mountains of molehills.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to lie, John, you (and apparently your seemingly brown-nosing commenters as well) may be taking this whole debacle a little too seriously. There&#8217;s no way this could affect your standing with either publisher as your comment was both mild-mannered and arguably completely true. I understand wanting the rest of your interview to be read, but to blatantly attack a gaming blog for quoting you in a way that would be not only interesting to their readers &#8212; their fanbase, but also garners hits from links, is not only uncalled for, but also pretty idiotic. You may come off looking like much more of a dick for flipping out than you realize.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, your work is incredible; i&#8217;m a fan. It&#8217;s just disappointing to hear that you&#8217;re the type to make mountains of molehills.</p>
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		By: Wahooney		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wahooney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Top story: Braid creator hates free journalism.

&quot;It&#039;s nothing but misinformation; it&#039;s worse than worthless.&quot;

;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top story: Braid creator hates free journalism.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s nothing but misinformation; it&#8217;s worse than worthless.&#8221;</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		By: TurboPhoenix		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2041</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TurboPhoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It harms my reputation with players because they think I called an interview just to make a big deal out of bashing Microsoft and generally being negative (which I did not do!)&quot;

It harms your reputation more when you overreact so badly to such a tiny thing. Grow up man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It harms my reputation with players because they think I called an interview just to make a big deal out of bashing Microsoft and generally being negative (which I did not do!)&#8221;</p>
<p>It harms your reputation more when you overreact so badly to such a tiny thing. Grow up man.</p>
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		By: Jordan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to let you know, I&#039;ve submitted this to the blog &#039;Game Journalists are Incompetent F$#%wits.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you know, I&#8217;ve submitted this to the blog &#8216;Game Journalists are Incompetent F$#%wits.&#8217;</p>
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		By: justin		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2039</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 03:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m sorry john... i just linked to that article in the previous post. i even said &quot;plataform confirmed? probably not!&quot; i knuw you wouldn&#039;t speak like that, but i still droped the link... i didn&#039;t mean to give them more hits or any thing but after reading hecker&#039;s story i agree, this is not a victimless crime and it is dis-honest and manipulative.

but i will link you to something else, 

http://angryjoeshow.com/2010/12/geoff-keighley-interview/

i&#039;m completly neutral in this subject of  &quot;journalist&quot; but just so that the people know... hip-hop , the economy guys that make wrong predictions and everything...


this is your gaming press, ladies and gentlemen!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sorry john&#8230; i just linked to that article in the previous post. i even said &#8220;plataform confirmed? probably not!&#8221; i knuw you wouldn&#8217;t speak like that, but i still droped the link&#8230; i didn&#8217;t mean to give them more hits or any thing but after reading hecker&#8217;s story i agree, this is not a victimless crime and it is dis-honest and manipulative.</p>
<p>but i will link you to something else, </p>
<p><a href="http://angryjoeshow.com/2010/12/geoff-keighley-interview/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://angryjoeshow.com/2010/12/geoff-keighley-interview/</a></p>
<p>i&#8217;m completly neutral in this subject of  &#8220;journalist&#8221; but just so that the people know&#8230; hip-hop , the economy guys that make wrong predictions and everything&#8230;</p>
<p>this is your gaming press, ladies and gentlemen!</p>
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		By: GameJournos		</title>
		<link>https://the-witness.net/news/2010/12/cvg-appear-to-be-a-bunch-of-lousy-hacks/comment-page-1/#comment-2038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GameJournos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 03:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is beyond incompetence. This is deliberate horseshit. I wish I could say I expected better from a Future Publishing outlet but, frankly, this is about as good as it gets (barring Edge, obviously).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beyond incompetence. This is deliberate horseshit. I wish I could say I expected better from a Future Publishing outlet but, frankly, this is about as good as it gets (barring Edge, obviously).</p>
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		By: Wii and the Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wii and the Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i reposted this on my site. i had manipulation at the hands of journalists.


wiiandthekid.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i reposted this on my site. i had manipulation at the hands of journalists.</p>
<p>wiiandthekid.com</p>
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		By: Communit_Panda		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Communit_Panda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you. This is why I buy people like you&#039;s games. Because you guys are smart. Yes, I don&#039;t throw that compliment around because lately it seems like people are idiots. But this is one hundred percent true. I will be linking this to quite a few people. Thanks for the great read, great opinions and clarification on what happened. Also thanks for the link to the article from Chris (feels weird calling him by his first name but that is how you referred to him in the article heh) that was a really good read.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. This is why I buy people like you&#8217;s games. Because you guys are smart. Yes, I don&#8217;t throw that compliment around because lately it seems like people are idiots. But this is one hundred percent true. I will be linking this to quite a few people. Thanks for the great read, great opinions and clarification on what happened. Also thanks for the link to the article from Chris (feels weird calling him by his first name but that is how you referred to him in the article heh) that was a really good read.</p>
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		By: HeyImWyatt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HeyImWyatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Jonathan I saw that one of the topics that you and Chris were discussing was the meaning of &quot;game mechanic.&quot;  And I have been writing concepts for games and I used the word game mechanic along with a topic that a user could perform in a game, to help focus my thoughts. For example when I was thinking I labeled one page Game Mechanic: Aiming. Could I find your idea of &quot;game mechanic&quot; in the magazine or if not in the magazine could you briefly discuss here?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jonathan I saw that one of the topics that you and Chris were discussing was the meaning of &#8220;game mechanic.&#8221;  And I have been writing concepts for games and I used the word game mechanic along with a topic that a user could perform in a game, to help focus my thoughts. For example when I was thinking I labeled one page Game Mechanic: Aiming. Could I find your idea of &#8220;game mechanic&#8221; in the magazine or if not in the magazine could you briefly discuss here?</p>
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		By: Chris Gomez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Gomez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was pointed to your article by someone earlier today.  As I read it, it immediately didn&#039;t pass the smell test.  Something wasn&#039;t right about it.  Someone really sat down to talk with you about Microsoft not taking chances?

Ironically, and on a totally unrelated note, I ended up seeing Chris Hecker be misquoted... again... about the Wii and saw his rant.

I am so sick of journalism.  It is all lies.  The poitn is always just to get eyeballs, sell papers, or commercials.  I have long stopped believing headlines about anything... games, world events.  It is all sensationalism and even articles are written just to  highlight juicy quotes.  We are never afforded context.

This leaves us in a sad place.  If no one reports the news, I am increasingly disconnected, and stop caring about anything in the world but myself... because everyone is a sensationalist liar with an angle... even in the gaming press.

This just sickens me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pointed to your article by someone earlier today.  As I read it, it immediately didn&#8217;t pass the smell test.  Something wasn&#8217;t right about it.  Someone really sat down to talk with you about Microsoft not taking chances?</p>
<p>Ironically, and on a totally unrelated note, I ended up seeing Chris Hecker be misquoted&#8230; again&#8230; about the Wii and saw his rant.</p>
<p>I am so sick of journalism.  It is all lies.  The poitn is always just to get eyeballs, sell papers, or commercials.  I have long stopped believing headlines about anything&#8230; games, world events.  It is all sensationalism and even articles are written just to  highlight juicy quotes.  We are never afforded context.</p>
<p>This leaves us in a sad place.  If no one reports the news, I am increasingly disconnected, and stop caring about anything in the world but myself&#8230; because everyone is a sensationalist liar with an angle&#8230; even in the gaming press.</p>
<p>This just sickens me.</p>
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		By: Jared		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said. I try to avoid sites like that now (I almost exclusively rely on Giant Bomb for gaming info these days. Glorified blogs such as Kotaku and CVG are the worst, but even some of the major publications such as IGN and Gamespot have lost a lot of credibility in recent years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. I try to avoid sites like that now (I almost exclusively rely on Giant Bomb for gaming info these days. Glorified blogs such as Kotaku and CVG are the worst, but even some of the major publications such as IGN and Gamespot have lost a lot of credibility in recent years.</p>
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		By: Corey Williams &#187; Corey Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corey Williams &#187; Corey Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] reason I&#8217;m posting about this now and not weeks ago is because of this article. It seemed to drive home what I had been thinking for weeks. As I&#8217;ve not seen the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] reason I&#8217;m posting about this now and not weeks ago is because of this article. It seemed to drive home what I had been thinking for weeks. As I&#8217;ve not seen the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: MDT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MDT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eh, not surprised. Especially at the Game Informer article since they&#039;re really nothing more than an advertising shill of a paper rather than an actual magazine. I can see defense for it, as it&#039;s just highlight &quot;a&quot; point without also facing counter-subjects of the conversation and not the whole story which was much more interesting, but if you think it doesn&#039;t matter - read the comments on the Game Informer page. I read at least two that were flat out insults to Jonathan, including one calling him &quot;an arrogant ass&quot; and another one saying &quot;Blow can blow me.&quot; So now you got these gamers worked up in a tizzy because you said something bad about their favorite console, turning it into a slinging of &quot;Yo Momma&quot; insults.

Lucky for these other game sites, shredding the Edge interview into pieces, there&#039;s no online copy of it so it&#039;s gonna be even LESS likely that somebody&#039;s gonna cross-research the interview to hear the whole story. It&#039;s just sad. Typical, but sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, not surprised. Especially at the Game Informer article since they&#8217;re really nothing more than an advertising shill of a paper rather than an actual magazine. I can see defense for it, as it&#8217;s just highlight &#8220;a&#8221; point without also facing counter-subjects of the conversation and not the whole story which was much more interesting, but if you think it doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; read the comments on the Game Informer page. I read at least two that were flat out insults to Jonathan, including one calling him &#8220;an arrogant ass&#8221; and another one saying &#8220;Blow can blow me.&#8221; So now you got these gamers worked up in a tizzy because you said something bad about their favorite console, turning it into a slinging of &#8220;Yo Momma&#8221; insults.</p>
<p>Lucky for these other game sites, shredding the Edge interview into pieces, there&#8217;s no online copy of it so it&#8217;s gonna be even LESS likely that somebody&#8217;s gonna cross-research the interview to hear the whole story. It&#8217;s just sad. Typical, but sad.</p>
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		By: Michael O'Connor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If it&#039;s any conciliation, it&#039;s not like anyone actually reads CVG anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s any conciliation, it&#8217;s not like anyone actually reads CVG anymore.</p>
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		By: Frederick Gherkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Gherkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems like they ran out of Top Ten list ideas to write for the month after thoroughly exhausting themself with all the inane GOTY shenanigans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like they ran out of Top Ten list ideas to write for the month after thoroughly exhausting themself with all the inane GOTY shenanigans.</p>
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		By: Hamish Todd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamish Todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hoboy, that gameinformer article is so much worse.

I can&#039;t wait until Sushi Bar Samurai comes out and the press find the Jeff and Casey podcasts about Mircosoft. That&#039;ll be a riot - and it&#039;ll be ok, because you can take any of their barrage of insults out of context and it will be indicative of the whole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoboy, that gameinformer article is so much worse.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait until Sushi Bar Samurai comes out and the press find the Jeff and Casey podcasts about Mircosoft. That&#8217;ll be a riot &#8211; and it&#8217;ll be ok, because you can take any of their barrage of insults out of context and it will be indicative of the whole.</p>
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		By: Burninator		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Burninator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GameInformer took a similar headline.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/12/22/braid-developer-psn-quot-less-conservative-quot-than-xbox-live-indie-games.aspx]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GameInformer took a similar headline.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/12/22/braid-developer-psn-quot-less-conservative-quot-than-xbox-live-indie-games.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/12/22/braid-developer-psn-quot-less-conservative-quot-than-xbox-live-indie-games.aspx</a></p>
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		By: Ezra White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ezra White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Honestly, the most depressing thing here is that &quot;Sony takes more risks than MS with indie game choices&quot; would be considered a biased or agenda-filled line of discussion in the first place. I miss the days (if they ever actually existed) when people could debate subjects like that without hysteria or accusations. You know, back when information was presented in context.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, the most depressing thing here is that &#8220;Sony takes more risks than MS with indie game choices&#8221; would be considered a biased or agenda-filled line of discussion in the first place. I miss the days (if they ever actually existed) when people could debate subjects like that without hysteria or accusations. You know, back when information was presented in context.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nets]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, CVG has always been the place for crappy &quot;news&quot; and stupid, stupid rumors. Unfortunately, both them and Edge belong to Future, so they share content.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, CVG has always been the place for crappy &#8220;news&#8221; and stupid, stupid rumors. Unfortunately, both them and Edge belong to Future, so they share content.</p>
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		By: Ferrán		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferrán]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was a little surprised when I read the headline in a news Hub this morning, so when I remembered a while ago I came here and now I understand everything.

Don&#039;t worry, we&#039;re used to the low professionalism of much of the gaming press. Inflammatory and misleading headlines are daily bread, so we often hesitate  before we give them any credibility.

I hope to read about the interesting topics you talked about in the interview.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a little surprised when I read the headline in a news Hub this morning, so when I remembered a while ago I came here and now I understand everything.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, we&#8217;re used to the low professionalism of much of the gaming press. Inflammatory and misleading headlines are daily bread, so we often hesitate  before we give them any credibility.</p>
<p>I hope to read about the interesting topics you talked about in the interview.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I totally understand! It is hard enough being Indie but with things like this it only makes our lives harder. In the Indie world you have to support all those that give you a helping hand no matter how small.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally understand! It is hard enough being Indie but with things like this it only makes our lives harder. In the Indie world you have to support all those that give you a helping hand no matter how small.</p>
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		By: Jonathan Blow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Blow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As far as I know, so far it is only in the print edition.  I hope it will make its way online.]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Sennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Games &quot;journalism&quot; strikes again!

 Is the actual interview up online anywhere, or is it just in the print edition?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Games &#8220;journalism&#8221; strikes again!</p>
<p> Is the actual interview up online anywhere, or is it just in the print edition?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting reading. Chris&#039; article is quite amazing.

PS, you forgot a picture of the island as it currently stands!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting reading. Chris&#8217; article is quite amazing.</p>
<p>PS, you forgot a picture of the island as it currently stands!</p>
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